04
Sep

Thanks so much to Craig Beck for the interview! I had written some time ago about this fantastic Newcastle, Australia, band on the blog and happily a week or so ago Craig got in touch! Now based in London, Craig was keen to tell me many details about the band, answering all the questions thoroughly! This is great, I love interviews like this! Also it seems he plans to release many of the demos and unreleased tracks by the band in the future, so keep an eye on Burning Winter for sure!

++ Hi Craig! Thanks so much for being up for this interview! How are you? Are you still involved with music?

Yes, I am and quite a lot and have for most of my life.

I currently own and run a publishing company called Audio Wallpaper LTD based in the UK where I’ve resided for the last 8 years. I came to the UK for a career sidestep from running Universal Production Music for Australia & New Zealand. I’ve been in Production music since being employed with BMG since 2004. My goal was always to start my own business and now successfully produce 4 libraries as well as manage another.

https://www.audiowallpaper.com/#/home

https://www.cratediggermusic.com/

I no longer play live and haven’t since moving to the UK, but I’ve been writing, recording and producing my own music since I was 16 but in the last 14 years have released music under my artist name of “SKYBABY SIREN” in which I do mostly everything with the help from some amazing singer songwriters. These days it’s mainly a hobby.

https://open.spotify.com/artist/1SM8CK5F7RR0Bm4IhZGS9W?si=_2KzmV-oRVmejwxaDgKnOw

Before this I was in the Anatomy Class, Etherland (Simon “Starling”), Luxury, Promenade.

To note LUXURY was a mix of some well-known artists who were in bands such as Glide, Scarlet, Jesus and Mary Chain and still write and perform. We had a modicum of success with this band that included a record and publishing deal but imploded around 2002.

https://open.spotify.com/album/11XHbyykgfQRwXOqgCfW6D?si=ABcemkaYTuuWpuESiBvrkA

++ Let’s go back in time. What are your first music memories?

For me music was always in my early life despite not having musical parents. They didn’t have a decent music collection and I was mainly subjected to artists such as ABBA, Meatloaf & Dire Straits but in saying that we always listened on Sunday nights to the radio show with Casey Kasem that was an American top 40 so I suppose that’s most likely one of the reasons as to why I have an eclectic taste in music and has helped greatly in my career. My Nanna once told me she noticed I’d be ear wormed quite regularly with tunes and my first was Glen Campbells “Rhinestone Cowboy”.

++ Do you remember what your first instrument was?

Apparently, I destroyed a toy drum set when I was quite young – 50 years later I can finally play the drums a little.

But my first official instrument was probably the bass – I made a mock instrument from some cardboard, a ruler and 4 rubber bands – no it didn’t make a sound but it was a start.

++ How did you learn to play it?

I moved onto the acoustic guitar when I hit high school. I had some lessons but hated it and then taught myself. I later moved onto Bass and now flip between the two but I think I’m a better rock Bassist and probably wouldn’t call myself a guitarist, but I manage to get sound out of it. I’m more into riffs and simple chords with loads of fx.

++ What sort of music did you listen to at home while growing up?

Hmmm, pre-teen my taste was probably just mostly commercial and listened more to compilation tapes. My first artist obsession was Aha – I only found out recently that I live just down the road from where “Hunting High & Low” was recorded along with loads of other artists and albums that I grew up with. More on that later.

In my teenage years luckily, I had some friends with good taste guide me along but bands that stood out for me were The Cure, The Cult, The Church, The Smiths, Echo & The Bunnymen, Pink Floyd and then loads of Aussie Indie stuff like the Hoodoo Gurus, Oils, INXS and loads more – I was a music fanatic.

++ Had you been in other bands before Burning Winter? 

Yes, my first garage band and first gig was with a band called “The Lost Spirits” which then morphed into “The Violet Wake” to “The Wake”. My close friend and band member was Craig McGuiness who went onto to form “The Hanged Man” who was also later to be on “The My Beautiful Pigeonhole” compilation in which I had a part of recording it as well at 48Volts studio.

++ What about the other band members?

Blake Doyle – Drums – later played for “The Crying Suns”

++ Are there any songs recorded by these bands? 

There are no recordings of The Lost Spirits and there is a VHS live tape of The Wake performing at Newcastle University which from memory was a band comp and won by Rob Taylors “Sitting Ducks” who went on to be my mentor, sound engineer teacher and then later producer for Burning Winter and some of Luxury.

Rob Taylor credits – The Whitlams, Def Fx (Both of which I assisted recording on – more on this later) and many many more Aussie bands – to note he was also responsible for the association with Phantom Records which lead to The Corridor and My Beautiful Pigeonhole release.

** Not sure I’ll ever release that Wake stuff – the quality isn’t great, and I’d have to track down a VHS machine to transfer but I’m not sure it’s worth it.

++ Where were you from originally?

I was born in Eastwood Sydney and moved to Newcastle around 1975 – I still call myself a Novocastrian as it’s where I have lived the longest so far, but I’ve been told I can say I’m from England now 😉

++ How was Newcastle at the time of Burning Winter?

Newcastle had an amazing and flourishing indie music scene in the early 90s.

I went to many gigs, but Newcastle was also in this transition stage of once being a steel manufacturing city with the BHP along with it being a major port.

The earthquake in ‘89 I suppose you could say was partly responsible for the area getting a makeover given the magnitude of damage.

Personally, I loved growing up in Newcastle but knew that if I was to grow and get anywhere musically and career wise I’d have to leave.

++ Were there any bands that you liked?

There were loads of bands I liked from Newcastle around this era such as MeMeMe, Bugbears, The Long Knives, Golden Section and Einsteins Wireless.

But I also had a fascination with cover bands. Newcastle was the cover capital of Australia I reckon, and I went because I admired the way those musicians played their instruments so well. Yes, they couldn’t write music but it really helped me focus on making a band tight as well as other production values. I used to frequent a club where a band called “Young Guns” resided – from memory they played every week on a Tuesday or something and there weren’t that many people who went BUT they always played well no matter how many people were in front of them and that taught me a very valuable lesson.

++ Were there any good record stores?

OMG! Record stores were my life and very much miss them. I now occasionally get to Rough Trade in Notting Hill London (Home to The Smiths and The Sundays) and you can guarantee of walking out of there with something decent new.

There were 4 record stores I frequent nearly every day in the late 80s & 90s. Oscars was the main one for new vinyl along with another one on Hunter Street and then there was 2 second hand shops, one on Hunter street next to Muso’s Corner and the other was Cooks Hill books and records. Before leaving Oz, I reckon I had close to 1000 records which I sold the majority of because of my move abroad.

++ What about the pubs or venues to go check out up and coming bands?

So many and I went to them all as well as played them.

Tatts, Cambridge, Lucky Country, The Workers, Newcastle Uni bar on the hill to name a few but as I said, so many and I loved them all – live music was also my life.

++ Were there any other good bands in your area?

Some bands were better than others, but they all had a certain style or quality about them – some wrote great songs but were poor performers, others were great players but the originals not as good.

One standout for me were “The Plants” – they had great originals, and the front man Chris was truly charismatic and a true rock star, they also played awesome covers from the likes of The Pixies, Bunnymen and a plethora or other great global indie artists. It’s truly a major shame their songs were not properly recorded as I still feel they could have been huge as they had the X factor much like Silverchair but way more credible.

++ How was the band put together?

Two of the members Darren Rowe and Phillapa Rees were originally from a band called “Moonscope” (Darren – Ex Hipslingers) and I think we were just at a pub watching them one night with Mark “Joel” Hetherington the drummer. I think Darren at the time was at a loose end with Moonscope and we all kinda bonded on various musical influences. Darren was actually playing bass at the time, and I believe he wanted to play guitar which turned out to be a blessing because I still feel to this day he is one of the best guitarists I’ve ever played with and an amazing songwriter.

++ How was the recruiting process?

So, no recruiting as such – I think I’d also finished up with a band at the time and was looking for like-minded folks and I’d switched from guitar to bass.

++ Was there any lineup changes? I believe the keyboardist Rachel Rose was replaced by Phillippa Rees?

So Phillipa came first – she played keys, flute and backing vocals – she just didn’t turn up to a gig one night and I think she’d just had enough of us boys.

Then came Rachel and jeebers that was so for the best – she more or less took over front person duties singing and playing guitar. Rach was a massive Pink Floyd fan and particularly Gilmour which was great cause so was Darren and eventually me. My son is even called Floyd.

++ What instruments did each of you play in the band?

So, this was mixed up a little at times but mainly as:

Mark “Joel” Hetherington – Drums (side note – he was tutored by Nic Cecire from the Hipslingers and I believe had improved his playing 1000%)

Me – Craig Hayden Beck – Bass, Guitar, Vocals and some keys in the recording stages.

Darren Rowe – Vocals, Guitar and occasional Bass

Rachel Rose – Vocals, Guitar and Keyboards (Korg M1)

++ How was the creative process for you? Where did you usually practice?

So, we mainly rehearsed on the top floor of a building on Hunter st in the city centre – I think it was an old bank. We shared this space with bands The Galore, maybe The Goddards and someone else (Soz, can’t remember). It was a great space for jamming and rehearsing and we’d even have underground parties/gigs there which were so much fun and super cool.

We’d usually jam out ideas and improvise but mostly someone would have an idea they’d written or recorded, and we transformed those into band tracks.

Because we had our own space, we also each had our own storage area along with the main performance area so we setup a make shift 4 track recording studio in it in which I we all took full advantage of. I was there almost 3-4 nights a week sometimes by myself honing my craft. I still have all the tapes from those sessions and released an anthology a couple of years back under the SKYBABY SIREN monicker called “Never seen the light of day” – Weirdly some of those tracks get a lot of streams and I’m not sure who it is but it kinda freaks me out someone actually digs those tunes.

If it wasn’t for that studio space I wouldn’t have become better at song writing and production which had then pushed me into being a sound engineer but I really liked the idea of doing everything myself and I’m still pretty much the same these days – it’s not that I’m a control freak it’s just that I really do enjoy every facet of the recording & mixing process as well as making cover art and doing promo videos.

++ What’s the story behind the band’s name?

Sigh  – I can vaguely recollect us being at Darren’s place coming up with names and I’m not gonna claim this although I sort of remember coming up with either Winter or Burning. I pushed for “Silk Overdrive” but that was quickly rejected.

Surprisingly there is no a Burning Winter on Spotify – Part of the reason of that name was the fact we thought there was no way in the world someone would think of that name or put those 2 words together but oh how wrong we were.

I remember a little rivalry between The Galore and the BW’s and they used to refer to us as Burning Sphincter.

++ In 1994 Phantom Records included four songs of yours on a CD compilation called “The Corridor”. Here they featured 4 Newcastle bands, one EP each. I was wondering first of all, if your 4-song EP was released in any different way previously?

Unfortunately not, I don’t even think we had any kind of contract for that release and not very professional for Phantom.

I may release it but it can open up a can of worms as to copyright issues and then how do I pay onto former band members not having communication with them anymore.

++ Secondly, I wanted to know how did the contact with Phantom Records happen?

This primarily happened because of Rob Taylors connection with Phantom’s Sebastion Chase and Jules Normington mainly because of the work he’d done with The Whitlams and Def fx. Phantom at the time thought that the Newcastle music scene was a flood with talent. At the time it was cool and trendy to release compilations of indie artists so Phantom followed suit “My Beautiful Pigeonhole” featuring 15 bands from the area all produced and recorded at 48 Volt / Skyhigh Recording studios in Jesmond, a studio that was quite state of the art for the time kitted out with Rupert Neves new Amek Hendrix console alongside a Tascam 24 track digital tape machine. It was there I did my diploma in sound.

++ How was it working with them?

I kinda feel that Phantom made a lot of promises in regard to promoting and marketing with the Newcastle scene etc but all these bands really never did make it through this to get any kind of huge success nationally let alone internationally.

Phantom along with Rob chose their 4 favourites with Burning Winter being one of them and we embarked on a multi 4 track EP / compilation album which when I listen back still stands up.

++ And what repercussion had this compilation for the band?

I suppose there were no real repercussions, and each band had their own various successes later releasing more material and continuing to gig both locally and nationally.

++ As mentioned, “The Corridor”, featured 4 Newcastle bands. Were you familiar with the other bands? Maybe even friends?

So, at the time the scene was kinda tight and perhaps a little incestuous in some ways. We all played gigs and toured together each taking turns to headline the shows.

I still keep in contact with a lot of my friends from those extremely special days and sadly some I’ve lost contact with which still haunts me a little as I do miss them and consider it one of thee most musically fun times I’ll ever have.

I actually lived in a house in Hamilton Newcastle that was divided into 3, me in one part, Karl and Del from MEMEME and Paul Deer in the other from Golden Section.

I do get a little emotional when I listen to all the old songs – nostalgia and sentimentality are something that runs deep with me particularly when it comes to music. I heard an interview recently with John Williams who described music as being something spiritual and a deep connection of the soul as well as being one of the first ways humanity communicated. I really believe in this especially given how easily I can remember details about my past and music whereas other things I completely forget. I also believe quite strongly in that theory of memory palaces where you can file away memories easily and feel that is something music can do autonomously or subconsciously.

++ Where were these songs recorded? Who produced them? Did it take long to have them ready?

To recap:

48 volt / skyhigh recording studios Jesmond Newcastle NSW Australia with Robert Taylor and a little by Dave Henderson or recorded and produced our first EP that included the track “Lap Of The Land” but that was recorded at another studio a year or so earlier.

We actually recorded about 6 songs and from memory took about 6 months as we had to use the studio in down time.

The 2 tracks not included will be released sometime in 2024 to mark the 30 year anniversary along with loads of other demo tracks.

We had a lot of fun recording those songs as each time we came back to them they just grew and grew, and we also had gotten better at playing our instruments and the craft of recording.

The track “Sandcastles” I actually recorded in its entirety and was mixed by Rob. I was doing my sound engineering diploma at the time, I also managed the studio so I took advantage of the downtime and used it to keep us match fit and make us more experienced in the recording process.

It was also during that time Phillipa left the band and Rachel beautifully drifted comfortably in.

++ Then there was the track “Killing Me” that appeared on “My Beautiful Pigeonhole”, another Phantom comp. Was this recording from a different recording session perhaps? Or is it from the same time period?

So, as I mentioned earlier “Killing Me” came a year or so before The Corridors tracks. From memory there was quite a discussion on what track we were going to do for “My Beautiful Pigeonhole” as we wanted to make sure we picked was our best track that would translate more as a recorded piece. Live it was always a favourite and one we quite often played in the set last.

++ The songs “Sandcastles” and “Killing Me” had promo videos. That’s super cool. I do wonder though without proper releases how come you went to release promo videos? Were you hoping to get the attention of labels perhaps to release you?

These promo videos only surfaced a couple of years ago around 2015 and was a bit of a surprise to me – I believe Darren had resurfaced after years in recluse with Rachel after changing the band name to Doradus and trying to get interest with labels by recording a new album with Rob Taylor that was never released either. I still have this album in my possession but won’t release it unless the guys were to give me permission.

++ Was there interest from labels to put your music out at any point? Maybe a big label?

As Burning Winter, we only had interest from Phantom and a small Perth indie label called Zero Hour Records but we never signed.

++ Then in 1991 you release the “Lap of the Land” EP which I can’t find much information online. In what format was it released? Which label?

We never actually officially released it. It was a 4 track Cassette EP put together simply at the time to get more live shows – I plan to release this on the rarity’s album.

++ From that EP the song “Mesmerised” got a promo video. Wondering what made you pick that song as the single of the EP?

That video again made years later by Darren was only really most likely because we had more footage of that song in that recording session.

++ What do you remember of recording the videos? Where were they filmed? Any anecdotes you could share?

I fondly remember that session and I’m pretty sure it was over a weekend and more footage shot by a friend to kinda document what we were doing and more for fun, not to be used as promo video. I’m glad they’re out there as it’s a little piece of history.

++ I notice too that the band has many more songs on the web. For instance on Youtube I see “Painful Memory”, “Typical Life”, “Fireglow”. These songs are from 1990 I think, the original lineup. Are these tracks from demo tapes perhaps?

I’ve peppered youtube and soundcloud for a while now with various tunes just for fun and to have them out but never really seriously compiled anything but I’m doing now simply for prosperity.

++ And then there are 11 tracks on Soundcloud. Looks like an album to me. It is on a London account called Purpelef Records.

That account was mine as I have a sound and music production company called Purplelf in London as I’ve based here since 2016 – I’m pretty sure all these tracks are now taken down.

++ What can you tell me about these songs, and if this was a proper release? And how come London, not Australia?

To be honest I can’t remember what tracks they were as that account has been discontinued – they may have been the Doradus album tracks that were never released, and I made them public thinking no one would ever find them. It was a playlist simply for me to listen to and share with a couple of die-hard fans.

++ Are there more songs recorded by the band? Unreleased ones?

As I mentioned there are loads of tracks, all ranging from average to great. Some we’d recorded live on a 4 track just to get them down so we could see whether they were worth properly recording. I suppose you could have called it pre-production. Then there are 11 great tracks I recorded and mixed in a couple of studios in Sydney I was working at at the time. These will make up the official unreleased Burning Winter album yet to be titled.

There were about 6 tracks in demo stage we’d done under the band name Doradus which we had recorded but I’ve seemed to have misplaced the DAT masters which is a shame as I remember these being really good ☹

++ My favourite song of yours is “Lap of the Land”, wondering if you could tell me what inspired this song? What’s the story behind it?

This track was written by Darren so I don’t know what it’s about, but I loved Darren’s lyrics, but Rachels were also amazing if not better.

++ If you were to choose your favorite Burning Winter song, which one would that be and why?

“Splinter” – for some reason it really makes me sad when I hear it but yet elated. It’s quite an epic piece and I think at the time we were quite into a UK band called All About Eve and particularly the “Touched By Jesus” album in which Marty Willson-Piper from the Church co-wrote and played guitar on. It’s still one of my favourite records.

Splinter:

Splinter in your finger, throbbing with the pain

Swelling with the poison, venom in your vains

Splinter in your heart just, underneath the skin

A sliver of a secret that makes the cracks begin

You pick me up and you throw me down

You smashed me into atoms scatter me around

You chop me up like firewood for winter

When you look for me, all you found were splinters

In your memory, run for me in fright

Chase the demons back out into, the dark and godless night

Splinter in your spirit and Splinter in your soul

A careless little splinter leaves a careless little hole

You pick me up and you throw me down

You smashed me into atoms scatter me around

You chop me up like firewood for winter

When you look for me, all you found were splinters

Splinter in your spirit and Splinter in your soul

A careless little splinter leaves a careless little hole

You pick me up and you throw me down

You smashed me into atoms scatter me around

You chop me up like firewood for winter

When you look for me, all you found were splinters

You cut me up like firewood in winter

When you look for me, all that’s left were splinters

I’ve also cut a promo video and it’s now a pre-release album single.

https://youtu.be/Xjqx5aFEN7Q?si=GtLnMruL-Sn5QsjB

++ What about gigs? Did you play many?

We played so many shows and at one stage had a monthly residency for almost a year a club in the city which will filled every time. We played little small room intimate shows to rooms with thousands. Rob and Dave did our sound live and we had our own PA so the mix and lightshow was consistently good, something we worked hard on and particularly being tight.

++ And what were the best gigs that you remember? Any anecdotes you can share?

We did a Newcastle Uni orientation day that was quite a good show along with a few big ones supporting some popular artists. I remember one show almost commanding the audience as I started jumping up and down and so did the crowd. We did enjoy the more smaller intimate shows particularly at the Cooks Hill Hotel – it was tiny and so was the stage.

++ And were there any bad ones?

I think the only bad one I remember is when Phillipa left and didn’t show up but if it hadn’t been for that Rachel would never been part of our lives.

++ When and why did Burning Winter stop making music?

I think we imploded around 1996 – we all moved to Sydney from Newcastle to really try and make it. Darren, Rach and I lived together for a while and then they moved back to Newcastle. I stayed and tried to make in work between 2 cities. I remember the day they phoned me and more or less fired me, I was heartbroken after everything we’d been through and the lame reason they gave was because I was too loud.

++ Were any of you involved in any other projects afterwards? I read about Skybaby Siren?

I had a break for a bit after the BW’s as they really hurt me. I then went onto forming Promenade which broke after our lead singer committed suicide. That band then morphed into Luxury then that broke up in 2003. I then moved to Melbourne joined a band called Etherland with whom the singer songwriter I collaborated with for my first solo project under the banner of Skybaby Siren which has been my music hobby now for quite some time. It did start off as a band, but it didn’t work out, so I kept the name and continued writing and releasing music under that pseudonym.

I get mainly people streaming from Apple music and Youtube, Spotify seems to be a bit more lower in traffic but I have quite a decent sized catalogue out now.

++ Was there any interest from the radio? TV?

We got a little radio airplay mainly because a friend of mine was a DJ at a local radio station.

++ What about the press? Did they give you any attention?

We always made sure to promote our gigs and other things in local and Sydney papers – we did some interviews, did some photo shoots but nothing that really help expose us to a larger fan base.

++ What about fanzines?

Not that I can remember no.

++ Looking back in retrospect, what would you say was the biggest highlight for the band?

For me I suppose doing all the studio recordings – we always had so much fun recording, and we were like a family and super close but like with a lot of bands we sadly grew apart.

++ Aside from music, what other hobbies do you have?

These days the only thing that gives me comfort is cooking – I’ve been a cook since childhood and grew up in pubs and worked in many restaurants, it’s the only thing that isn’t stressful and is more meditative and comes easily. Doing music I’ve always found I have to work hard at.

++ I’ve never been to Newcastle nor Australia so I’d love to ask a local. What do you  suggest checking out in your town, like what are the sights one shouldn’t miss? Or the traditional food or drinks that you love that I should try?

You’d need a month or more if you were going to see Australia properly and if you’re venturing all that way from the other side of the globe, I’d suggest also seeing New Zealand and also Tasmania, one of Australia’s best kept secrets.

Do Sydney and Melbourne and perhaps go to the Blue Mountains – I lived there for a while and is still one of my favourite places in the world that also includes Austria and Southern Germany, mainly Bavaria and Swabia.

Being now based in the UK I miss a good meat pie along with all the yummy fresh produce and restaurants and food Australia has to offer.

I haven’t been back since I left 8 years ago but I’m sure it hasn’t changed that much – if you’re a wine drinker then there are many areas that produce great vino – Hunter Valley, Bendigo and Heathcote VIC, Coonawarra and Margeret River along with Mornington Peninsula plus Tassie does great Rieslings.

++ Anything else you’d like to add?

I’d just like to say thanks for your interest and support for my band and including it in your blog and I hope you enjoy the forthcoming albums. I had fun sitting down and compiling this over a couple of days, it can be nice reminiscing about the old days.

Cheers

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Burning Winter – Lap of the Land

02
Sep

The Afternoons. That would be the translation of the band Les Après-Midi from France.

I continue trying to find out more about that great French indiepop scene of the early 90s where there were so many great bands but that sadly have been lost in time.

I suspect that today’s band would be very obscure. That I won’t find much information. The band’s name is not easy to google and I don’t have many clues about band members or anything.

The only information I have is that they released one song. It was called “Défauts” and was included in the legendary 1990 cassette compilation “Heol” (KAREN 02) that Karen Records released. The English translation for the name of the song would be defects.

This compilation has been mentioned in the blog many times. I have featured many bands including Les FreluquetsThe Spindle Berries, Bachelor Pad, Jane from Occupied Europe or Change of Seasons. It was a true international compilation.

My suspicion is correct. I google and google and can’t find any details about the band. Who were behind the band? Did they release any records? Whereabouts in France where they from?

Anyone has any clue?

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Après-Midi – Défauts

26
Aug

The first half of the 80s. This is perhaps not yet indiepop. Possibly indiepop is going to be born with the C86 tape. For other fans indiepop already exists, there’s Orange Juice, The Pastels, the Television Personalities. It depends how you understand indiepop.

For me, there are indiepop bands already in 1983-1984. But there are others that are quite indiepop but not completely. It is hard to explain. In previous posts I’ve called them proto-indiepop, like they seem to have the sound that will become indiepop but there are other influences at play at the same time.

For me Tralala is one of these bands. They are pop and have great songs.

They released three singles, three 7″s. I have the last one, “Always Close at Hand”, the only one that came with a sleeve. But there were two earlier ones, a bit more rare, worth tracking down.

Nowadays I buy very few records, so not sure when I’ll catch up with you all, great record collectors. But if anyone has extra copies do let me know.

The band’s first 7″ came out in 1983 and didn’t have a label behind it. It did have a catalog number though, YUN 02, which is a bit strange. No label but yes to catalog number?

The record was a double A sided single, with “Impeccable” on the A side and “What’s the Matter” on the AA side.

This record has a few little details. We know that the producer and engineer was Keith Nichol, who worked from Impulse Studios in Newcastle, England. We also learn that the songs were written by Kevin Ridley and Paul Laing. Ridley was from the Newcastle area, and was in bands like Forgodsake, Screen Idols, Skyclad and Theigns & Thralls. Eventually he would move to Madrid where he lives now.

Kevin Ridley has a website, but strange enough there is no mention of Tralala. I tried to track down Paul Laing, but no luck.

The band’s second single came out in 1984. This time there was a label name, Floating World, and a catalog number, FLOAT 01. Not sure who were behind this label. Perhaps it was the Impulse Studios’ people?

The single had two songs, “Room to Be Cruel” on the A side and “Overjoyed” in the B side.

That same year the band releases their last single, “Always Close at Hand” (FLOAT 02)”. The title song is on the A side and on the B side we find the track “Don’t Take to Love”.

Sadly there is no information online about the band. I am of course hoping this will change. Hopefully some of you remember them and can share some details about Tralala!

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Tralala – Always Close at Hand

19
Aug

Time to head to the US today. The Goldenrods. A trio that seems to be forgotten now formed by Barry Hall and Jenny Gunston in the early 90s.

The band’s first release was in 1992. HARP Records from San Francisco would put their music out. It was a two song single, with “Barbwire Chair” on the A side and “Cagiva Elephant” on the B side. Catalog was HARP 004. 300 copies on black vinyl and 100 on yellow. I read the edition was of 500 copies, so there are other 100. There is a version of this same single with a different sleeve, maybe that’s where the other 100 copies are.  In any case, look for yourself, one sleeve has two people, a girl and a guy, walking and the band’s name in green ink, while the other shows two different people posing by the stairs. I don’t think the photos are of the band.

The record was recorded and mixed at Lowdown Studios in San Francisco by Greg Freeman. On this record Jenny sung, Barry played guitar and keyboards while Kevin played guitar, keyboards and programmed the drums. Barry is credited for writing the songs.

I check a little bit about the band members. I see that Barry hailed from Braintree in Massachusetts. He relocated to San Francisco. He was also in a band called The Cat Heads.

The band’s second single was the “Lesbian Nation & I Can’t Reach You” 7″ (HARP 011) in 1993. As it is obvious the songs on the record were “Lesbian Nation” on the A side and “I Can’t Reach You” on the B side.

Again the songs were recorded at Lowdown Studios by Greg Freeman. Greg also played tambourine in the B, “I Can’t Reach You”, side by the way. This song was a cover of The Who.

The A side was written by Barry and also featured bass by Sam Babbitt from The Cat Heads and The Ophelias. This record also features John Stuart from Flying Color and Map of Wyoming on drums, Oz on guitars and Roger Hand on piano.

The design is credited to Bhdg Sf, Ca., the cover photo to Dave Mamelka, and the model was Johanne.

In 1994 the band would appear on a Motorway Records (MOTOR 002) split 7″. On this Japanese release the band would share the single with Bubble Bus. The band would contribute the song “Prince of Edinburgh” that featured some changes in the band.  We see Alan Korn from Schematix, The Cat Heads, X-tal and She Mob on bass, John Farinacci on drums, Brian Good on guitar and Cindy Wiggington from Bedlam Rovers on violin. Again the songs were recorded by Greg Freeman at Lowdown Studios.

The band appeared on a few compilations. On the CD and LP compilation “It’s All True Harp Records… San Francisco… 1992-94” released by Big Cat (ABB 59) the band had two songs “Barbwire Chair” and “I Can’t Reach You”.

On a compilation CD called “The Moderna Wunda-Major All-Automatic Convenience Centerette” that came with the fanzine Burning the Midnight Firefly #2 that Keith D’Arcy made, the band contributed with the song “Cirque D’Amour”.  On this compilation they appear with great bands including Bomb Pops, Tree Fort Angst or even The Cat’s Miaow among others!

On another fanzine from 1994, Red Roses for Me, there was a tape called “Beyond the Valley of the Polar Bears”. On this tape the band had three songs, “Told You So”, “Prince of Edinburgh” and “Hey Jay (Live)”.

I keep looking for more info. I find a scan of the Gavin magazine from March 26, 1994. Here it mentions that the second 7″, “Lesbian Nation”, was released after the band had split already.

And lastly a very cool find! A live video! The band playing live in the early nineties a venue called Hotel Utah in San Francisco. In this live gig the band was formed by Jen Gunston, Barry Hall, Alan Korn and John Stuart. The songs they played were “Told You So”, “Barbed Wire Chair”, “Cirque D’Amour”, “Lesbian Nation”, “Gone, Gone, Gone”, “Cagiva Elephant”, “I Can’t Reach You”, “Nothing I Do”, “Pale Blue Eyes”, “Discipline”, “Lazy Ways”, “Lullaby”, “I Wrote a Letter” and “See You”.

And this is what I could find! Anyone remembers them?

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The Goldenrods – Barbwire Chair

14
Aug

Thanks so much to Patrick William Woodward for the interview! Billycart was a terrific but short-lived Australian band from the late 90s. Their recorded output is small, just a few songs, some of them that appeared on the “Clippings” compilation on Candle Records. One of its members, Kellie Sutherland, would later be in Architecture of Helsinki, which probably all of you know.
I wrote about them some weeks ago, and it was great to hear from Patrick and even better that he was up to fill in the blanks, answer all the questions I had!

++ Hi Patrick! Thanks so much for being up for this interview! How are you? You were telling me you are not involved with music anymore? Why is that?

Hey thank you for having me!! I am very well, living my fullest life through a cold winter here in the Southern part of NSW in Australia. Music has taken a back seat to life as a father… for now!!

++ Let’s go back in time. What are your first music memories? Do you remember what your first instrument was? How did you learn to play it? What sort of music did you listen to at home while growing up?

My first instrument was a guitar, well my sisters! I was playing it upside down but hey! She taught me the correct way in time. I listened to a lot of Australian rock/pop… Midnight Oil, INXS, Kids in the Kitchen etc

++ Had you been in other bands before Byllycart? What about the other band members? Are there any songs recorded by these bands?

Billycart was my first venture into music with my mate Kellie Sutherland. Kellie is a great friend and a very talented musician who went onto create some amazing music.

++ Where were you from originally?

I grew up in the western suburbs of Sydney about 1 hour from the city, which felt like a lifetime away as a kid!

++ How was Sydney at the time of Billycart? Were there any bands that you liked? Were there any good record stores? Or what about the pubs or venues to go check out up and coming bands?

Sydney in the 90’s had a vibrant music scene, on any given night you could see an amazing band! The Annandale hotel and the Sandringham hotel were my favs.. never still exist unfortunately. Billycart were lucky at the time to play these venues with some of our personally favourite bands such as The Simpletons and The Lucksmiths! The city was the place to see music.. my town of Penrith provided quality cover bands!! Not to my liking 🤣

++ How was the band put together? How was the recruiting process?

Kellie and I meet at a music festival in Byron Bay northern NSW.. We hung out then lived together and started creating music together. Was mainly just Kel and I. We had a few friends such as Ryan James and Darren Hanlon play at times!

++ Was there any lineup changes?

++ What instruments did each of you play in the band?

Kellie and I both sang, she played a mean bass and me guitar.

++ How was the creative process for you? Where did you usually practice?

We wrote most songs together, sharing lyric duties… i often came up with tunes then we would write lyrics to suit!

++ What about influences? I read that Kellie was a big fan of the Portland band Kissing Book for example. What about you?

I loved the Go-Betweens big fan!! Crowded House, Midnight Oil.. then were and still are today favourites!

++ What’s the story behind the band’s name?

Billycart the name… well at first we were called Cul de sac as in dead end street… no future there we thought! Then we settled on Billycart.

++ So I know the band through the songs that appeared on the “Clippings” compilation on Candle Records. How did your songs end up on this compilation? Were you familiar with this label? Had a good relationship?

So we arrived on the clippings compilation via Chris Crouch who Kellie and I lived with! We were such great house mates he felt it was only fair that we appear!

++ The obvious question is, why didn’t you get to release any records with them afterwards? Was there any interest from them or yourselves to do so?

I guess i feel out of love with music for a while.. Kellie moved to Melbourne and greener musical pastures and i stopped playing for a bit.. i found playing gigs pretty stressful and not really my cup of tea. Till a few years down the track and started another band called Aer Cadets.

++ And what about other labels? Did anyone knock your door to release your songs?

I never really took it seriously so i guess i never pursued labels or anyone releasing song.. never too late i guess!!

++ I ask these questions as the two songs on the compilation are great and it surprises me the band didn’t get to release a proper record. Strange to say the least! But do tell me a little more about these songs. Were they perhaps part of a demo with even more songs?

The two songs we recorded were just for the compilation, prior we recorded 8 songs i think which was released on cassette by us!! Darren Hanlon also played with us on that!

++ I read they were recorded by Angus Kinston. He was a regular in Candle compilations, recordings. How was that experience?

Angus Kinston was a great engineer and fun to work with as he was a friend! He recorded the cassette we realised as well!

++ The song “Cherish” had the help from Darren Hanlon and Ryan James from The Simpletones. What was your relationship with them? And what did they add to this great tune?

Cherish ( not the Madonna one ) was fun as Kellie and I only really played live as a two piece.. Ryan played drums and Darren guitar which made us sound and feel like pro’s!!

++ Going back to that compilation,”Clippings”, there are many bands I am unfamiliar with. Were you familiar with many of them? Knew them? Played with them?

Most of the bands on the clippings compilation were friends with each other which was amazing.. all would play together, some toured together.. Kellie was also in a band which appeared on the album, Falcon 500!

++ Are there more songs recorded by the band? Unreleased ones?

No further songs were ever recorded other than the tape and the clippings compilation.

++ My favourite song of yours is “Cherish”, wondering if you could tell me what inspired this song? What’s the story behind it?

I guess cherish was a bit of a love song.. not necessarily about me but just others i observed in my 20’s.. such a time when one is learning so much… to do with love😃

++ If you were to choose your favorite Billycart song, which one would that be and why?

We had a song called “Bingo”.. it was about playing bingo!! It was a favourite of mine!

++ What about gigs? Did you play many?

Billycart played a fair bit in Sydney and Melbourne.. loved playing at the punters club in Melbourne.

++ When and why did Billycart stop making music?I had read that Kellie ended up moving to Melbourne to be part of Architecture in Helsinki, was this the reason the band stopped, or had it already stopped by then?

Kellie moved to Melbourne and we still played occasionally down there.. we played with AIH in Melbourne at this old warehouse, think it was the first gig they played. Bunch of other bands played too. It was a memorable gig. I just didn’t appreciate how good to play shows like this was at the time. Kellie remained in Melbourne playing with AIH and I returned back to Sydney. We now ironically live pretty close to each other in Regional Australia. She has two kids and I do as well. Similar ages. We all hang out still!! I formed a band back in Sydney called the Aer cadets, again never to it to serious but enjoyed played with different people and new songs!

++ Was there any interest from the radio? TV?

I believe Cherish got played on radio in Taiwan of all places! We received a royalty check from a radio station one year which was crazy.. should have cashed in and toured in Taiwan🤣

++ What about the press? Did they give you any attention?

We had a few street press reviews of our tape which were all positive! Nothing major but nice words were written.

++ Looking back in retrospect, what would you say was the biggest highlight for the band?

I think to say we played with such a great band such as AIH in the early days for them was a tremendous privilege and hi light for Kellie and I.

++ Aside from music, what other hobbies do you have? Newcastle United fans?

Having a young family is my hobby these days, well takes up most of my time.. which is fun.. i do still tinker with the guitar and hope to play again someday.. I love aeroplanes and all things aviation which one of my sons now does too! We have a radio scanner so we can hear planes coming into our local airport, if it’s something of interest you can assured we will be first out there to see it…

++ I’ve never been to Sydney so I’d love to ask a local. What do you  suggest checking out in your town, like what are the sights one shouldn’t miss? Or the traditional food or drinks that you love that I should try?

Sydney was a great city to live in.. we got out around 15 years ago and now live 6 hours away!! Nice to visit and take our kids to but we don’t miss it!! Its such a picturesque city.. the harbour is beautiful.. you can just catch a ferry and cruise around all day taking it all in.. never appreciated that when i lived there.. worth a visit one day for you!!

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Billycart – Cherish

13
Aug

After a few French bands that appeared on “Teeny Poppers”, the 1992 compilation tape I’ve been going through with a fine comb, now it is time for a one that is not French: In Heaven.

On this cassette that Anorak Records released in France the band would appear opening the B side with the track “It’ll Keep Awhile”. That wouldn’t be their only compilation appearance. in 1992 too they would have the track “Coast to Coast” on a tape titled “Sandcastles in the Sun” released by the German label Meller Welle Produkte (MEL10).

Lastly, in 2021, their song “Aquanova”, was on a British compilation tape called “Deliberately Lo-Fi” that Kyle Productions (001) released.

Speaking of “Aquanova”, that was the name of the band’s 1993 tape album that they self-released. On the sleeve of this tape it has an address as a contact information. It is in Devizes, in the UK. I had never heard of this town before. Looking at Wikipedia I learn…

Devizes is a market town and civil parish in Wiltshire, England. It developed around Devizes Castle, an 11th-century Norman castle, and received a charter in 1141. The castle was besieged during the Anarchy, a 12th-century civil war between Stephen of England and Empress Matilda, and again during the English Civil War when the Cavaliers lifted the siege at the Battle of Roundway Down and the Parliamentarian Army of the West under Sir William Waller was routed. Devizes remained under Royalist control until 1645, when Oliver Cromwell attacked and forced the Royalists to surrender. The castle was destroyed in 1648 on the orders of Parliament, and today little remains of it.

The tracks on this album were: “Ultramarine”, “Kodak”, “Aquanova”, “Coast to Coast”, “Head for Home”, “Seen it All”, “My Mine”, “Setting Sun”, “Mirror Me More” and “It’ll Keep a While”.

That same year, 3 songs from this album would be picked up by Meller Welle Produkte to release a 7″ titled “Aquanova E.P.” (MEL5). This great sounding shoegazey record had “Seen it All Before” on the A side and “Ultramarine” and “It’ll Keep Awhile” on the B side. The songs were produced and engineered by the band. The band also took care of the artwork with a photo of a cat named Bob on the back cover. Tracks were recorded at My Disco in 1992.

There is one name here, on the labels, though, J.M. Philipps. He wrote all the songs. Was his name Justin perhaps? I saw a Justin commenting on a blog post saying it was his band. No last name though.

And that’s what I could find. The songs are available to listen online, on Youtube, so you won’t have have difficulty to check them out. But there is no information about who were behind this band. How long did they last as a band or if they played in other bands before or afterwards. Would be nice to find out!

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In Heaven – It’ll Keep Awhile

05
Aug

I think it will be over soon. Over my investigation on the bands that appeared on the “Teeny Poppers” (SHOUBIDOUWA 01) cassette compilation that the Limoges-based label Anorak Records released in 1992.

I’ve written of quite a few by now. Also I don’t plan to write about all of them (maybe some day), but only about the bands I don’t know anything about, or very little about. That’s why I wrote lately about Monsieur de Foursaings, The Through Corners, Meek and today I will write about the British band The Music Scene.

Yes, they were British, Fabien mentioned that to me when I interviewed him. And I know it was formed by Roy Thirlwall, Pete Jarvis and Emma Saunders.

The song that they have on the compilation is a nice mellow track titled “Isabelle” that appears as the 5th track on the A side of the tape comp.

One wonders then who is this enigmatic Isabelle they dedicate the song. The name Isabelle is French, I’d say. Maybe it has to do with Isabelle from the band Caramel, the band Fabien from Anorak Records was in? Maybe it is a wild guess…

It is also worth noting that in 1991 the band appeared on the classic “The Waaaaaah!” CD released by Bring on Bull (BULL 3-0). On this legendary comp the band had contributed the track “Friend of a Friend”.

Other than what I’ve been able to share here there is no information about the band.

Who were behind this band? Are there more recordings? Anyone knows?

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The Music Seen – Isabelle

30
Jul

Look For The Good In Others And They’ll See The Good In You

This past weekend brought the news that Martin Phillipps, the genius behind The Chills had died.

I woke up to this news. My Facebook feed showed photos and videos of different songs by The Chills. Usually the classics, “Pink Frost”, “Heavenly Pop Hit”, “I Love My Leather Jacket”. Some other friends posted photos with Martin, sharing a special moment when they talked about this or that.

I had to digest it. I love The Chills very much. I’ve been lucky to have seen them 3 times I think. Once in New York. Once in London. Once at Indietracks. I think they played a few years ago here in NYC somewhere in the Upper West Side, a wine bar or something like that. I didn’t go. It was just after the pandemic. I regret this.

These days I go to very few concerts. Usually of bands I hadn’t seen before. I have to pick my battles. But I would do anything to rewind the time clock, and be around and available on October 16, 2022, their last New York City gig.

I am going through my photos. 2016. New York City Popfest. The Chills play Littlefield. I had already seen them in the UK. But this was the one and only time I would talk to Martin.

He was hanging out around the merch area. I don’t remember The Chills having any merch, but maybe I am wrong. I had some Cloudberry merch that year, but Chris Jigsaw was helping with that. But I went and talked to Martin. I asked for a photo afterwards too.

What did we talk? About the gig he was going to play that day. We also chatted a bit about the London gigs and Indietracks. Maybe we talked a bit more. I can’t remember. I just thought he was very cool and down to earth. That made me happy, that one of my heroes didn’t mind chatting with me, an unknown guy, just like that.

The gig that day was amazing. I am pretty sure they ended with “Heavenly Pop Hit”. They played their hits too, but not one of my favourite songs, “Brave Words”. I don’t think I heard The Chills play this song live in any of the three times I saw them.

I remember singing aloud “Wet Blanket”, word by word. I was happy. “Pink Frost” gave me shivers. “Eazy Peazy” made me giggle.

Always.

Now sadly Martin is no longer with us. And won’t be able to see The Chills again. Of course the music will always be around and can listen to the songs over and over. Many great records. Many great tracks.

Today I wanted to do a little tribute to one of his lesser known projects, The Pop Art Toasters. I am sure that about The Chills a lot have been written. And probably everyone reading this blog knows about those songs. Then there is Martin and the Moondogs who did a cover of Abba’s “Tropical Loveland”, but I don’t have an MP3 of this song to share.

So yeah, the Pop Art Toasters. They were on Flying Nun Records in the mid 90s. Released just one record, a self-titled EP, on CD and cassette. Catalog number was FNCD288 or FNMC288 depending on the format that is.

The songs on the record are covers. These were “What Am I Going to Do” by The Dovers, “Everyone’s Gonna Wonder” by The Avengers, “I Won’t Hurt You” by The West Coast Pop Art Experimental Band, “Go Ahead” by The Squires, and “Circles” by The Who.

Behind this project was Martin on acoustic guitar, electric guitar, clavinet, piano, organ and vocals. There was also another New Zealand legend, David Kilgour, playing acoustic guitar, electric guitar, piano and vocals. On bass, acoustic and electric guitar we find Noel Ward from Lanky and The Strangeloves. Mike Dooley from Snapper, The Dri Horrors, Toy Love, The Enemy, The Snares and $100 Band was on drums and percussion. Alan Starrett from Martin and the Moondogs, Mink, The Magick Heads, Waste the Earth was on organ, keyboards, clavinet and viola.

The songs were recorded and engineered by Stephen Kilroy at Fish Street Studios in Dunedin in December of 1993. The band photo on the back was taken by Peter Hannken, while the artwork on the cover was created by Martin.

Discogs list a UK version of the tape, a promo tape put out by Mushroom Records. I don’t know what happened , but doesn’t look like this label released properly the EP.

The opening track, “What Am I Going to Do?”, would appear on three compilation appearances. The first on was on 1994’s “Kiwi Hit Disc 7” released on CD by NZ On Air. I suppose a radio station was behind this one.

Then in 2006, when a Flying Nun revival was happening, the song would appear on the 4CD compilation “Flying Nun 25th Anniversary Box Set” (FNCD500).

The other appearance is on a DVD called “Second Season – Flying Nun DVD II” that was released by Flying Nun (FNDVD489) in 2004. I wonder then, was there a video of this track?

Yes there was. You can see it on Youtube.

There is also another great find on Youtube. There is the Pop Art Toasters playing live at Otago Museum in Dunedin on February 27, 1993. They play the song “Everyone’s Gonna Wonder”.

Martin was a fan of 60s pop. He picked some top tracks and they made some fantastic covers. I wonder, will there be some cool bands releasing covers of The Chills songs? There should be. There should be plenty of them. In my perfect world, we should continue celebrating The Chills.

I am a fan of The Chills. Will always be. So many great songs, many great records. I am just so sad today. I think it is only normal.

Ideas come to my mind. Like why I haven’t traveled to New Zealand yet. Is there anything to see in Dunedin that screams to a fan The Chills? I don’t know! I must know.

Gigs, records, songs. That’s what I am saving and carrying with me. Another of the good ones leaves us. A giant. A legend of pop music. One I will always be grateful for. For his brave words, for his part past part fiction lyrics.

Goodbye genius, goodbye legend.

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Pop Art Toasters – Go Ahead

29
Jul

I continue going through the “Teeny Poppers” compilation tape. As I had discovered The Through Corners, there are a few other bands that I don’t know and I want to find details. One of them is the French band Meek, who I have heard by name but I had never paid attention. Today’s the day.

Unlike The Through Corners who I couldn’t find any information whatsoever online, and who didn’t release any records, Meek had a release and I am hoping that will mean I can find more details.

On the “Teeny Poppers” (SHOUBIDOUWA 01) comp that Anorak Records released in 1992, the band appeared with the third song on the A side, the sweet lo-fi track “Give Me More”. This appearance would mark the start of the relationship between Fabien Garcia’s Limoges-based label, and the band. How come? The third release on the label, a 7″ titled “Meek”, would be released by Anorak (Anorak 003) in 1995.

The record came with a hand-made photocopied cover according to Discogs. I see a color sleeve with photos of people from different backgrounds. I doubt these are the band themselves. No clue where they got the photos. It is the same case with the labels. These are printed in black and white and we see the same guy with two different women on each side. All of the characters in the photos seem happy.

The record had four songs, “Limonade” and “Fortunately Gone” on the A side and “Arradon” and “As You Told Me Too”. Worth mentioning then that limonade is not lemon juice, but a lemon flavoured soda in France. Also Arradon, the name of the first song on the B side, is a seaside commune in Brittany. Seems like a nice place for a quiet vacation time.

But this is not all. Previously, in 1993, around the same time as the “Teeny Poppers” tape the band had put together a demo tape called “Single of the Meek EP”. This cassette had five tracks which I have never heard and would love to listen one day. These were “Necklace”, “Aradon”, “As You Told Me”, “Meekadance” and “Meekada”.

It does seem that Aradon was misspelled, right? Another good detail from this tape is that it was recorded by Damien Bertrand at Lutecia Garden Studios. Where was this located? It was in Clamart, in Paris, and it was run by Jean-François Marvaud. Another record that was recorded at this place was my all-time favourite “Longer Lasting Beauty” by Evergreen.

Now, that name, Jean-François Marvaud, well, he was not only running the studio, he was also part of Meek. The other two members we know were in the band were Jean-Noël Dastugue and Lionnel Vernois.

The main bulk of recordings by Meek are actually on compilation. Can count 16 different appearances in the 90s.

As early as 1991 we see the band contributing tracks. The songs “Beautiful Evening Sun” and “Beautiful Day” appear on “In the Limelight” a tape compilation from France where bands like Les Chaplinn’s or Des Garçons Ordinaires appear as well. The next year, 1992, the band contributes “Beautiful Day” to Aliénor Records’ tape “Garden Party” (Alien Alpha).

1993 sees them on the aforementioned “Teeny Poppers” but also on “Simple as Them” (OPN 9303) released by Ora Pro Nobis with the song “Behind the Window”. This cassette came out on another French tape with lots of unknown bands for me. Need to check it out in more details.

“Meekadance” then appears in 1994’s tape “Gloomy Biscuit II” released by Gloomy Biscuit. Continuing in this year we see “Necklace” on Germany’s Alphyen Viwit double-tape compilation “Breeze 4” (004) and “Arradon” on the CD comp “Zoumpli” (ZP01) released by Adiam 92, Direction Départementale de La Jeunesse et des Sports (clearly a government effort, right?).

In 1995 they have the song “Damoclès (Mon Chien)” on the double 7″ compilation “Les Lutines” released by Ad Libitum Pop !? (ad lib 6) from France. Did they have a dog called Damoclès? This same year the song “Necklace” appears on the US compilation “Winter’s Mist 2″ that was released on 7” vinyl by the well-known label Silver Girl Records (SG018) and then the track “I Watch Them” finds its way on “Bedroom Palace” a tape compilation released by the French label Lo-Fi Recordings (High2) which I don’t know anything about! (though it has some known bands like Boyracer, Lorelei or Hood).

There are a few more compilations worth mentioning. “Arradon” appears on a 2019 tape called “Côte Ouest”. It is quite interesting as it has 8 bands including ones I’ve written about like Caramel, Les Autres, Daisy Age or Les Poissons Solubles. This cool tape came with the sixth issue of the fanzine called Langue Pendue. Would love to get a copy to be honest! Seems like an important pop artifact to me!

Then there are undated compilations. We have the “Superqualifragilistic” tape (NESS587) that Nessie put out in France where the band appears with the track “Aradon”, “Extract of Breeze A” CDR and tape released by Alphyen Viwit where we see the band  appear with “Necklace” and lastly “Anorak Demos” that Anorak released where there is a song called “Lutetia Gardens”.

And that’s not all. The band recorded a promo video for the track “Necklace”. This one appeared on on the classic VHS “Munch Part I (An International Independent Music Video Compilation)” that Season Records (Season Two) put out in 1994 in Australia. I think I remember seeing this video on Youtube ages ago. But I can’t seem to find it these days.

I do find then a blog post about Meek. Maybe the only one online? It is by a French blog called “Haar Brut” and the post is quite recent, February 2022 (I’m always impressed to see people still writing blogs, it is a lost art in my opinion).

Here I found interesting details. For example about the photos on the 7″ it says that they come from a roll of film found by Christophe, the band’s bassist. And this is also new. We had three names before, but not Christophe. Christophe Degoutin was the band’s bassist. The other three names we had previously, Jean-François, Jean-Noël and Lionnel were guitarists. Who were the drummers? We see two names, Nicolas Gandin and Ludovic Pierre. I suppose they were the drummers at different points of time.

Also worth mentioning is that Christophe and Lionnel would later be in a band called Mr. Quark.

Where are they now then? Did they record more demo tapes other than the 1993 one we found? Did they play live much? Who remembers them?

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Meek – Give Me More

23
Jul

Thanks so much to Andy Pastalaniec for the interview! Chime School, unlike many bands featured on the blog, is active! This August 23 the band is releasing their 2nd album, “The Boy Who Ran the Paisley Hotel“, on vinyl and CD. So it was a great opportunity to learn more about this San Francisco band whose first album was heavy on rotation at home when it came out. So join me in this interview, read through the great and detailed answers from Andy and learn a thing or two about one of the best indiepop bands out there.

++ Hi Andy! Thanks so much for being up for this interview! How are you? You are releasing a wonderful album called “The Boy Who Ran the Paisley Hotel” in a couple of months. But I want to go in order, from the band’s early days to today. So let’s go back in time. What are your first music memories?

Hi Roque, thanks for taking the time to talk to me about the record! It’s an honor to be interviewed for Cloudberry.

Earliest memories? That’s a tough one. Here’s one that I’ve never shared with anyone. My parents had a period when I was really young where they listened to a lot of Motown and oldies. When I was like 4 or 5 I apparently did dance routines for my parents to various Motown hits. I have no memory of any of it, but years ago one of my parents showed me home movies they had digitized and I saw it. Super embarrassing kid stuff of course, but honestly, kind of cool and funny in a way. Maybe a formative kernel, because later in my teen years 60s pop music was a major bedrock of my interest in pop music and all the melodies that ended up lodged in my brain formed the instincts of any ability I have to write pop songs.

++ Do you remember what your first instrument was? How did you learn to play it? What sort of music did you listen to at home while growing up?

The first instrument I ever laid hands on was a beat up classical guitar I found in the garage at my house when I was like 11 or so and my parents were splitting up and moving stuff out of the house. I was bummed because I wanted it to be a drum set because I was really into The Smashing Pumpkins “Tonight Tonight” as a pre-teen and I used to hit pencils on the desks at school like they were drum sticks. That may be an embarrassing and “not cool” thing to be into, but it was true, and sometimes I hear that song in a supermarket and I’m like “ok that holds up,” but they wouldn’t buy me a drum set when I was a kid so I started messing around on the guitar. I picked up the drums later in college when my roommate had a drum kit in the garage.

When I was recording Paisley Hotel I asked my Dad if he still had the classical guitar because I really wanted to do a nylon string guitar solo on “Give Your Heart Away.” He still had it, but he warned me it was totally unplayable and he was right, it wouldn’t stay in tune at all. It all ended well though I think that song benefited from an electric guitar solo anyways.

++ Had you been in other bands before Chime School? I know of Seablite, but are there more? And if so, how did all of these bands sound? Are there any recordings? 

I got my real start in music at the college radio station KDVS in Davis, CA where I went to school. That’s when things really opened up for me. I didn’t play in bands, but I had a radio show and would engineer bands in the studio to play live on air, and also did sound and logistics stuff for tons of diy shows, like probably hundreds of shows in the time that I was there, bands from all over the world. I really wish I kept a diary of it all. But during that time I started a record label through the radio station. One of the records I put out was by a band called San Francisco Water Cooler, which had two members of the Santa Cruz psych band Residual Echoes. That record got some nods from Thurston Moore and Byron Coley in Arthur Magazine which floored us all. They moved to Davis to record their second record and I I joined, primarily on drums, but also a bit of bass on their second LP, and some guitar and bass on a 7” ep. It’s all on bandcamp. Quite a bit of it holds up in my opinion, (but it’s definitely not indie pop).

When I moved to San Francisco I started a band called Pink Films with Tim Tinderholt (of Odd Hope) and a couple of the members from San Francisco Water Cooler and later Julian Elorduy of Mayyors/Fine Steps/Julian Never. I was still playing drums primarily but also getting more involved in the songwriting and recording decisions. Tim and I co-produced and arranged the “Wrong Direction” 7” and a bunch of other unreleased recordings on his Tascam 388. Pink films was directly influential to what I wanted to do when I started writing songs: jangly 60s inspired pop tunes with a bit more of a lo-fi edge. Pink Films’ last show was the release show for The Mantles Long Enough to Leave LP in 2013, although we didn’t know it at the time. Tim dissolved the band a while later after the death of a dear friend in the music community.

In 2015 I was asked to join shoegaze group Cruel Summer, again on drums, and that was great fun, nice folks, good friends, fun shows and parties. We made one record and a couple 7”s together and went on a really memorable tour with The Swirlies in 2017 before one of our members moved away for grad school. Friends forever. Seablite asked me to join right after that, and you know the rest.

++ How is the current San Francisco scene? Are there any bands that you like? Any good record stores? Or what about the pubs or venues to go check out up and coming bands? 

The bay is incredible right now. I’ve lived in San Francisco since 2008 and although this is the most involved I’ve ever been in a music scene since I’ve lived here (which may cloud my judgment), I really do think it’s a special time in the Bay Area. There was a time when people would do great things here and then move away for cheaper/bigger pastures, but now that every city is gentrified, people either stick it out where they are, or are more deliberate about where they live. Couple that with a bit of a downward real estate market post-pandemic (cheaper rent, less displacement), people being willing to live a bit more spread out, and I feel like things are really thriving here.

I could list probably 50 bands and a dozen labels in the Bay Area that I like at the moment, so I won’t even start, it’ll take up the whole interview. But there are a bunch of different scenes doing slightly different things (jangly indie pop, noisy shoegaze and punk, slow/sad-core, more experimental post-punk mutant disco stuff, dark/cold-wavey goth stuff, etc) but people’s tastes are for the most part really diverse so we all still go to others’ shows and play shows together when it makes sense too.

++ When and how did the band start? As far as I know it was just you behind Chime School, but on Bandcamp I saw a photo of a four-piece, so yeah, how did you all meet? How was the recruiting process?

The first LP was entirely me. I started writing the songs for it in 2017, and even tested the songs out a bit with a shambolic 3-piece called Well Read Seals with Phil Lantz (who plays drums in Chime School) and Phil Benson on bass (Terry Malts, Neutrals) who named the group; and for a moment Galine Tumasyan of Seablite on bass as well. That group only played a handful of shows and fell apart in early 2019. Rather than find another bass player, I decided to woodshed for a bit, write some more songs, change the sound, and start making a record. I changed the name of the project to Chime School because I wanted it to be a different thing.

When the first Chime School record came out in 2021, I was doing the backing track thing, played maybe three or four shows solo, but I really wanted to put together a live band. I again recruited Phil Lantz to play drums, and also my friend Josh Miller, and Thomas Rubenstein (who played a few shows with us but had to leave to focus on other projects). Thomas was replaced by Garett Goddard, and that’s been the group ever since. Phil, Josh, and Garett are incredible musicians, who’ve been playing in bands for decades at his point. It’s truly an honor to have them playing in the live group.

++ How is the creative process for you? Where do you usually practice?

My partner and I moved out of our cramped, noisy apartment in the Mission District in 2022 and rented a house on the foggy southern edge of San Francisco’s Excelsior District. I built a small home studio in the garage, and that’s where I write and record. The band has a rehearsal space in the “rock farm” over at Secret Studios Annex in the Bayview that we share with a number of other local groups (Seablite, Neutrals, Galore).

My creative process is focused and solitary. I write songs whenever I can, and arrange them as they’re being recorded. I program all the drums, which is liberating, because (as a drummer) I program them as if I am actually behind the kit playing them, but I have the freedom to use any sounds I want, and then tweak things as I go along. I don’t record solo out of some need for control, rather, I really try and push my boundaries on every record I make, and I feel a bit more free to do that by myself, where I’m not wasting anyone’s time, and I can you know, write the guitar solo, or figure out the organ part with no pressure or embarrassment if I stumble along.

++ What’s the story behind the band’s name?

I always wanted to write songs, but didn’t think I had any ability to do it. My partner bought me a cassette 4-track for Christmas in 2016 and that kind of kicked me into gear because I didn’t want to let such a nice gift collect dust. Our relationship first blossomed over a shared love of sports and music, and we were always sitting around playing records and talking about our favorite “formative jangle” records. The process of accumulating influences, learning to write songs, and figuring out how to record an album was a bit like “going to chime school” I’d tell myself, so I went with it.

++ Who would you say were influences in the sound of the band?

The influences are almost entirely UK indie music from the 80s and very early 90s. Razorcuts, Talulah Gosh, Brighter, Pastels, early Primal Scream, Orange Juice, McCarthy, East Village, Primitives, Sea Urchins, Close Lobsters, Teenage Fanclub, Another Sunny Day, etc. There’s some US bands too, the Paisley Underground groups are an influence in spirit, and of course The Springfields and REM. My influences shift a bit here and there depending on what palette I choose for a given recording, but ya, I really wear them on my sleeve.

++ Your first release was a self-titled album, “Chime School”, which came out on CD, cassette and vinyl on Slumberland Records. How did you end up working with this label? How do you like the relationship with Mike?

Though I was already a fan of the label, I started to get to know Mike through my partner, about ten years ago. In 2020 I finished the Chime School record and sent it to him mostly just to ask if he thought anyone might want to put it out, and he said “ya, I would.” It was kind of crazy because I’d been working on the record for so long and I really had no idea if it was any good, so it was a trip to hear that someone liked it.

++ And talking about formats, as this record came out in 3 different formats (4 if you want to count digital), I wonder if you have a favourite format and why?

My favorite format is vinyl, but I am a record collector. I wonder if I were 20 years younger, whether I’d care at all for the format given how expensive buying and collecting records has gotten. But at this point I’m already committed. As for new music, it’s embarrassing maybe but I really think digital is my most used format. I purchase as many physical releases by new bands as I can afford to, but digital is where I end up listening to the most music. One thing I will also say format-wise, is that the process of recording music is so incredibly varied now, and the process of pressing a record has changed too (in ways I couldn’t tell you) that the quality of vinyl seems to really vary wildly from the old days. Sometimes digital or CD might be the best way to listen to new music. Tape too, because although it adds its own color, it’s more forgiving than pressing a record. As for my records, readers should probably purchase them on all formats, so you can let me know which is best (laughs).

++ I think this album was quite successful, I saw many people raving about it. I played it a lot and remember recommending it in the blog. As it is the first album, I am wondering what time period these songs encompass? Are there older and newer songs? Or most of them date from around 2020?

Thank you! I was certainly surprised. The beauty of a first record is you can spend as much time as you want making it. The songs were written from 2017-2019, there are even 4-track demo versions, and Tascam 388 demos of them. Mostly I was trying to figure out what I wanted my first record to sound like, while teaching myself how to make a record at the same time. Over that time period the songs were refined in cool ways. They still might be overstuffed, but when I go back and listen to them there is some complexity that I think I only got from working on them for a really long time.

++ There were a few videos made for songs from this first album too. “Wait Your Turn”, “Taking Time to Tell You” and “It’s True”. That’s quite a bit! I wonder which is your favourite out of the three and if you can tell me some details about them. Like where were they recorded? Or how long did it take to make them?

Photography is a long-time interest of mine, especially motion-film photography, Super 8. “Taking Time to Tell You” and “It’s True” were super 8 videos, and “Wait Your Turn” was digital– as I had to make a third video but I didn’t have time for the long turnaround of super 8 developing and digitizing. The Super 8 ones are my favorite. I really like “It’s True,” when my friend Mike Ramos (Tony Jay, Flowertown) and I drove around town trying to find cool places for shots. The merry-go-round shot is a favorite where Mike is filming me from the other side of the merry-go-round as it spins, so I’m stationary, but the background is spinning. I had the idea of it and it turned out great. And then we drove by this boarded up building that someone had muraled flowers all over, and that was a great shot too. There’s just a magic to motion-film that is totally unique and can’t be replicated digitally, like not even close. Editing super 8 on the computer is an incredibly time-consuming process, but I’m a crazy Virgo maniac so I can sit for hours lasering in on specific stuff.

++ And speaking of the videos, “Taking Time to Tell You” shows a motorcycle and a vintage car. Are they yours?

They were! I had a 1988 Volvo station wagon, and a 1964 Honda Superhawk, which appear in that video. My roommate brought a 1970s moped into our shared house when we were in college, and I caught the vintage bike/car bug bigtime. I can’t afford to get into cars, but I’ve had a number of old scooters and motorcycles over the years. I’ve sold both of the vehicles that appeared in that video, but I still have a 1960s Lambretta (mods mods mods!) and a BMW airhead motorcycle from the 70s that’s fun to ride out of town on. I traded the Volvo for a 1995 Toyota Previa because it’s a more reliable touring vehicle. I still consider it a vintage car with a lot of personality, but people joke that it’s still a soccer mom van. Previa heads know better!

++ After this first release came out a 7″ with the songs “Coming to Your Town” and “Love You More” during the Covid times. I read that you actually recorded the songs while being sick with Covid. Why did you do that? Why didn’t you wait until feeling better?

Not only did I finish the 7” with Covid, my partner and I were also in the middle of a move at the time! I actually started it before we got sick, but I mixed it and recorded the vocal when we had Covid. It was sort of out of necessity since we were about to move, which meant I had to dismantle my existing home studio, and I knew it would be a while before I was able to set up a new one.

++ The B side, “Love You More”, is a cool take on a Buzzcocks song. It sounds Sarah-esque in away, right? Is this the only cover you’ve done? Or are there other ones? Maybe some that you play live?

One of my favorite things about pop music is how one song can be one hundred songs, depending on where you take it. Covers are fun, and it’s even more fun to cover a song in the style of another artist, you get to do like two covers in one. “Does Love Last Forever” by Brighter is an entire genre in itself to me. The drum machine sound of Sarah bands is one thing of course, but the particular floating jangly lead guitar in Brighter is especially unique to me. So I was going for that. I recently did a cover of “Stephanie Says” by the Velvets for the 2024 Oakland Weekender comp, in the style of Jesus and Mary Chain/Meat Whiplash/Black Tambourine, just completely noisy with a crazy ringing snare and a ton of feedback. That one was really fun. I was also asked to submit a Cleaners from Venus cover to a comp that will be out later this year on Dandy Boy records, and I did “Mercury Girl” re-writing it a bit and making it my own, that I also really like (with some of that Brighter guitar influence).

++ Last question about this release. It was originally released on tape, right? I haven’t seen a copy of that tape, was the art different? How many copies were made? What’s the story?

Mike doesn’t really like making tapes, but I convinced him to do a tape release of the first Chime School record. The art is the same, but just reformatted for the different layout of the cassette. I have no idea how many were made, but I can tell you we still have some!

++ As mentioned before, you will release a new album in August, “The Boy Who Ran the Paisley Hotel”. I’ve been listening to it and it sounds superb. Just the kind of music I like. So you open the album with a mostly acoustic song called “The End”. Sure, that’s cheeky. But was that planned from the start or when organizing songs it made sense to put this one first?

Thank you! Album sequencing is really important to me, “Start Again” from Teenage Fanclub’s Songs from Northern Britain is one of my all-time favorite openers. When this song started coming together, it felt a little bit like that song to me, so I figured I’d write it as a lyrical counterpoint and make it about endings as opposed to beginnings. It was kind of always supposed to be the first song, but the cheekiness was not at all intentional from the start.

++ To promote the album you’ve chosen the song “Give Your Heart Away”, which even has a cool video. Was it an easy choice to pick this track as the album’s first single? Were there any other options that were considered?

“Give Your Heart Away” was definitely the consensus first single for the record. It’s less than 3 minutes, has a strong chorus, a good middle-eight, and even a nice little guitar solo. That’s a single right there! I have to shout out Britta Leijonflycht (Smashing Times, Children Maybe Later) for the video. She’s an amazing animator, and had this idea to shoot video on her phone, print out black and white stills, color them in, and re-animate them. It turned out amazing!

“Wandering Song” was the consensus second single, because it’s a strong choice, but is a bit longer.

Mike thought “Desperate Days” would make a good third single, which I thought was an interesting choice. That song took the longest to record of any on the record, so I was pretty sick of it by that time. I chose to go with “The End” for the third single, which premieres July 31 with a video I’m really excited to share.

++ The album keeps jangling through 11 tracks and I reach song number 9 and I see a song titled “(I Hate) the Summer Sun”. And I start to wonder, your songs are sunny, upbeat… but perhaps you are more of the kind of indiepopkid that likes rainy and moody days? 

I definitely am. While everyone’s trying to soak up the last bit of the summertime, I’m always so happy when it comes to an end. Fall and Winter are my time. Lately I’ve been thinking a bit more about how people perceive the Chime School stuff as summer-ey. Maybe people equate catchy, upbeat music as “happy” or “summery” by default, but I thought of the first record as an Autumnal/Wintry record with its blue and white cover and autumnal insert photography, and the first song, “Wait Your Turn” about winter, cold, fallen leaves, etc. Some people who have heard the second record have also described it as Summer-ey, but when I listen to some of the harmonies and the color of the music, a lot of it sounds more autumnal and wistful to me. My bandmates, and Mike at Slumberland described Paisley Hotel as more moody when they first heard it, so maybe it comes through a bit more on the second record.

++ The album is going to be released on CD and vinyl. Will there be a cassette version as well?

I hope so!

++ And why the name “The Boy Who Ran the Paisley Hotel”?

I was voraciously reading various music books last summer as I was working on the record, kind of as a divining rod looking for words or phrases to inspire lyrics or a name for the record. Reading the Creation Records Story, there was a line about “a businessman’s hotel in Paisley,” referring to the town of Paisley (where the paisley pattern was invented!), but the line struck me as an evocative sentence so I wrote it down. The name “Chime School” is a nod to all the music that inspired me to start writing songs to begin with, so “The Boy Who Ran The Paisley Hotel” seemed like a cheeky mash-up of a bunch of those influences: Biff Bang Pow, TVPs, Belle and Sebastian, Feelies, the Paisley Underground scene (generally), etc. But also there’s the Paisley Shirt label here in San Francisco, part of a local scene that I also draw a lot of inspiration from. Also, I had an idea– along the lines of the “Beat Hotel”– about a Paisley Hotel in San Francisco where all the musicians in the Bay hung out at or lived at from time to time. Then when I found the artwork for the cover, I imagined this cat who lived in the hotel, and was friends with everyone and would be allowed in everyone’s rooms and knew everyone’s secrets, like a fly on the wall or something. Naturally a cat who lives in a hotel runs the thing, so it’s sort of literal too; the cat is “The Boy Who Runs the Paisley Hotel.”

++ How would you compare this 2nd album with your first one? Similar? Different?

I think Paisley Hotel is a lot more deliberate than the first record. The first record I was so excited to be making a record at all that I was trying to stuff as many things as I possibly could into it. I also didn’t really know what I was doing, which might be evident from time to time. For instance, I didn’t initially set out to go for a Sarah-records drum machine driven sound on the first record. I initially tried to do something more organic, with live drums, but I wasn’t able to get it to sound the way I wanted. The drum machine sound– although beloved– happened to be the first sound I could get that I felt was worth building upon, especially when I switched from recording on an analog tape machine to recording entirely on the computer.

When it came time to record The Boy Who Ran The Paisley Hotel, the experience I gained from the first record and the Chime School live group, inspired me to reach for a bigger, more developed sound and dive into some of the other territory that inspired the project from the beginning. I also feel the second record is a bit more focused, with a bit more of a condensed palette.

++ I noticed that you record and produce your records. This is not that common, so I wonder why you prefer doing it that way? Is it to have full control?

Most of the bands I know either record and produce themselves, or work with a close friend who gets their sound, in their own home studio so I think it’s more of a prevailing trend these days. Professional studios are expensive, and few bands have the ability to spend weeks in a studio making a record from start to finish. When bands use studios now, they’re either more stripped down bands where the record mostly sounds like the live band so it’s feasible to crank out 10 songs in a couple sessions, or, they use it to get drums or bass to tape, and do the rest on the computer or otherwise at home.

As far as the production, before I started playing and writing music, I was Djing and recording/engineering bands, so I’ve always been really into the art of how things sound. That’s part of the reason I like to produce my own stuff. I like to have the freedom to take a lot of time arranging and thinking about the songs while I’m recording them. I don’t necessarily know what a song is supposed to be until I start recording it. Making an entire record in a studio is tempting because I have my own limitations as an engineer and producer, but I’d probably have to make a complete demo version of the album at home first, so I’d know exactly what I wanted to do once I get to the studio, but that’s just too time consuming.

I would love to have the band play on the records, but everyone’s really busy playing in other bands and with their own lives, so it’s more convenient sometimes to record it all myself since I can play everything, and then bring it to the band to rehearse for live performance.

That said, I love what Phil, Josh and Garett bring to the live band, they’re incredible players, and I like how everyone puts their spin on the songs. I know people tend to like when a live band sounds just like the record, but I also enjoy hearing the songs in a fresh, maybe more energetic way, and hopefully the audience does as well.

++ Your records have a particular design, where typography and patterns are the unifying element. Is that something done on purpose? Do you design them or art direct?

I definitely wanted the records to have a bit of design symmetry and it’s very deliberate. I sought a lot of help on the first record, although I still kind of directed everything. My bandmate from Seablite, Galine Tumasyan did the hand lettering for the first Chime School album cover, so I kept it for the second record. Peter Hurley, the painter/musician who runs The Hit Gallery and plays in April Magazine did the painting for the first album (and I wanted something painterly for the second record as well). And my friend Michael Aguilar helped with the graphics and layout of everything, which I was incredibly grateful for.

++ And what about the cat on your last release? Is it a tribute to your cat perhaps?

I initially asked Peter Hurley if he wanted to do some art for the second record, but it seemed like timing was going to be an issue. I was a huge fan of this artist Sally Welchman, from Brighton, UK, who has a project called MoggShop where she does paintings on wood of animals, mostly cats. They’re wonderful. I asked if I could use “Tabby Cat” for the album cover, and she agreed! There’s also one on the back that everyone will see when the record is out, called “Guitar Cat.” I’m super happy to have her art on the cover. I highly recommend folks check her out. You can purchase original pieces–which sell fast– but also really high quality prints, which are nice to frame for home or give as gifts. Have a look – https://www.moggshop.com/

++ Has there been interest from other labels to work with you?

I’ve been asked to contribute to various compilations, but no one’s tried to poach me from Slumberland yet (laughs).

++ Are there more songs recorded by the band that haven’t seen the light of day?

Not really. I’m always so busy with the recording, production, photography, art, doing logistics for the live band, etc. that it’s hard for me to focus on writing tons of songs on a regular basis. My process so far has been: write songs, record, release, perform along the way, repeat. I imagine after the new record is out and we’ve toured a bit I might start thinking about what to do next songwriting and recording-wise.

++  Are there compilation appearances by the band?

Assuming you mean the live band, no, not yet, but I hope for there to be some day! I’d be stoked if they played on the next record too if it all works out.

++ I think my favourite song of yours might as well be “Taking Time To Tell You”, it reminds me a bit of the Razorcuts! I am wondering if you could tell me what inspired this song? What’s the story behind it?

Razorcuts are a huge influence, especially “I Heard You the First Time” and “Mile High Towers.” Gregory Webster is without a doubt a “Cool Guitar Boy.”

This song has a bit of an extended backstory. In 2019 I saw a clip online of the band Swiftumz recording in the studio, and their guitar player Chris Guthridge playing a capo’d 12 string guitar. I had resisted using a capo on my 12 string because it always made it go out of tune– the tension of the capo can pull certain strings sharp and you have to re-tune so it was a pain. But Chris’ playing sounded so good I re-committed to figuring out how to make it work, and I even taught myself to play the earworm riff that Chris was playing in the video (the record they were making at the time just came out, the song they were recording in the clip is “Never Impress” by Switfumz). When I started using a capo more, it led me to develop an entirely new guitar playing style, and I ended up transposing a bunch of my songs from open to capo finding different chord phrasings, and it just completely opened up the instrument to me in a new way. Something magic happens when you capo a 12 string, even just on the 1st or 2nd fret, it makes it way more resonant in some way. After months of playing in this new style, the riff to “Taking Time To Tell You” came together one day, and the song sort of wrote itself in a quick afternoon.

++ If you were to choose your favorite Chime School song, which one would that be and why?

As far as songs themselves, I think “Taking Time To Tell You” or “Give Your Heart Away” are favorites just because they’re really nice, concise pop songs and I love the way they turned out on the records. As far as recordings go I think “The End,” “Wandering Song,” “Say Hello,” “Points of Light” might be some other favorites.

++ What about gigs? Have you played many?

I’m blessed to have a band of ringers, total seasoned pros who love to play shows. We are selective based on our own set of values and priorities at this point in our lives and we can’t play everything, but we love playing shows and try to play as many as we can.

++ And what were the best gigs you remember? Any anecdotes you can share?

There’s a lot, so I’ll list a few that jump out.

Before I had the live band I did shows with a backing track. The first ever Chime School performance was under the overpass at Mountain Lake Park, a secret spot where the scene was doing generator shows during the pandemic. I was so nervous, but people seemed to like it. I was also proud that I used my auto mechanic knowledge to help Mike Ramos and Karina Gill get that generator working in 2020, it sort of kept the scene alive during the lockdowns.

I’ll never forget the album release show for the first record in November 2021 with Sad Eyed Beatniks, April Magazine, and Semi Trucks. I was still playing solo with a backing track and had only played maybe three or four shows. It was kind of unbelievable to me that people cared about the record at all, and then I was having this release show where these great bands I loved were playing it, and people came, and bought the record, it kind of made it real in a way.

The first time we played LA in July 2022 was when I met Mo Dotti, who were also on the bill. They were big fans of the first Chime School record, and I loved their two eps, so it was really cool to meet them and become friends. They’re one of my favorite bands. Meeting bands in other cities, all over the world, is one of my favorite things about doing music.

We did a quick Slumberland package tour in August 2022 with Papercuts, The Umbrellas, and The Reds, Pinks & Purples that was a blast. I remember there was an off-nite from the package tour, and the brollies’ booked a diy show in I think Long Beach, that we played with them. It turned into a pretty wild dance party during our set, and then got even crazier when The Umbrellas played; there’s some fun video on my instagram account of it. The kind of show where the energy just hits and everyone goes a little wild. You can’t make that happen, and it’s special when it does.

We did a Pacific Northwest tour with Blues Lawyer in 2023 that was incredibly fun. The funnest show might have been an outdoor pizza place in Eugene, which on paper seemed like it might not be the best show– a lot of people skip Eugene altogether– but the vibes were great, the band we played with, Growing Pains deliberately booked the show at an all ages space, and a ton of local kids came out. It was the penultimate show of the tour so everyone was kind of loose, and it ended up being one of the funnest shows of the trip. Goes to show you really never know!

Maybe the most magical show we ever played was the Vesuvio Anniversary Party in 2023, where we played outside in Jack Kerouac alley, which is between Vesuvio and City Lights Books. The whole alley was full of people, the sound was incredible. Just magical community vibes all around.

One of my favorite random anecdotes from touring was in Oxnard when we were going to play a YAY! Records-presents show. We had some time before load-in, so we went swimming in the ocean. Me and Garett were in the waves, and Josh was on the shore looking for the van keys, kind of motioning to us from the shore asking where they were. Then Garett was like “Oh I have the van keys, they’re in my pocket” like it was no big deal. Imagining total disaster, I’m like “Gary, we’re swimming in the ocean and the van keys are in your pocket?!” and he was like “ya it’s totally fine,” and it was totally fine.

Definitely looking forward to more!

++ Was there any interest from the radio?

We’ve been played a bit by Michael Bradley and Amy Lame on BBC, that’s the maybe most “exotic” radio interest we’ve had, but it’s always an honor to be played on all the great college and community freeform stations around the country like BFF.FM, KEXP, KALX, KDVS, KFJC, and the ultimate standard bearer, WFMU (among so many other great community stations).

++ Looking back in retrospect, so far, what would you say has been the biggest highlight for the band?

Although music hasn’t always been my focus, I look back and realize I’ve been involved in a DIY music scene of some form or another for almost the entirety of my adult life, from back in my KDVS days, to playing in bands sort of casually while going to shows, to DJing at bars and shows here in the city, and now having my own group. Thinking about all the things you can try to “do” with music, I’d say the only thing that really matters at the end of the day, is the community with people who have a shared musical interest and admiration for each others’ work. Your band might achieve some fleeting fame, or be one of the lucky ones and be able to eek out a living doing music. But for most of us, it’s important to remember that it doesn’t get much better than playing a show with bands you really like, full of people who are all having a good time and love the music. Doing music is such a struggle so much of the time, the camaraderie really keeps me going. As far as highlights go, meeting your heroes is always a cool one, and I’ve been fortunate to have a few of those cool experiences too, and may be fortunate to have a few more in the future.

++ And now, in the near future, what are the plans for the band? I suppose promoting the new album? How do you plan to do that?

We playing three California shows with our friends The Telephone Numbers after the new record comes out:

August 23 at the Makeout Room in San Francisco with the Telephone Numbers, and Hits.

August 24 at Permanent Records in LA with Telephone Numbers, Nic Hessler, and Le Pain.

August 25 at GONZO! In Carlsbad with Telephone Numbers.

We are incredibly honored to have been invited to play the Paris Popfest on September 27, where we are kind of starstruck to be playing with The Orchids, and Would-be-Goods, among other amazing and legendary bands. That will be followed by a 10-show UK Tour we’re incredibly excited about!

Aside from that we are going to start booking a Pacific Northwest tour for early December, and we’d like to play the East Coast in March or April of next year!

++ Aside from music, what other hobbies do you have?

I spoke about the vintage motorbikes and photography, but aside from that I’m a  baseball and basketball fan, so I follow The San Francisco Giants and Golden State Warriors. I’m also a runner, which I got into during the pandemic and it completely transformed my life. I run about 2-3 times a week, about 7 miles at a time. Last year I ran almost 700 miles!

++ I went to San Francisco about 20 years ago! And then I wasn’t really into music. So I want to ask a local. What are the sights one shouldn’t miss? Are there any food or drinks one should also try?

Hit up some locals before you visit to see if there’s any shows going on that you might want to catch, there almost always will be, but there’s no local free-press like the old days so sometimes you have to follow the right people or accounts online to know about them. Some places to check might be the Makeout Room, Kilowatt, Knockout, Hit Gallery, Edinburgh Castle, or Rickshaw Stop in SF, or Stork Club, Eli’s, Little Hill, or Golden Bull in the east bay.
Here’s three activities for a visit to the city:
Hit up North Beach and visit Golden Boy Pizza where you can get a slice of clam and garlic pizza (mmm), or a delicious sandwich from Molinari, and then visit Vesuvio in North Beach, one of the still-extant legendary places in San Francisco.
Go to the Mission, buy some records at Thrillhouse on Mission and 29th St. Then grab a burrito, everyone has an opinion about the best one, but the correct opinion is an al pastor super burrito (no sour cream) from Taqueria Guadalajara on 24th St in the Mission. If you’re a vegetarian the
super veggie burrito from Taqueria Cancun is about as good as they come, and if you’re vegan I suppose you can go to Papalote. When you’re full, grab a drink at The Latin American Club on 22nd Street, and then walk up to 16th St and catch a movie at the Roxie Theater.
Walk through the panhandle, then through Golden Gate Park and into the Richmond district which has maybe the most and best food of anywhere in town. Grab a burger and a beer at Bill’s Place or some fried chicken at Hard Knox Cafe, then go see a movie at the 4Star Theater or the Balboa theater. Hit up Tunnel Records in the 4Star while you’re there (or their Sunset district location).

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